The Finch Formerly Known As Gold

24 October 2005

'Twas indict before Fitzmas

If these guys are at all representative of the rest of the state's liberals, there will be little or no gloating in Soonerland this week.

First, Matt Deatherage:

This is the continuation of a horrible time for the United States of America. Even if you feel personal glee that it just might be nearing an end, please refrain from expressing it in public. The only joy for any of this is that the system may still be working. That's not a "Fitzmas" gift — that's a treasure we've nearly lost and must fight to protect at all costs.

Stop celebrating — there is no festival involved. It's good that our country can peacefully remove even the most odious and treasonous of high officers, but it's tragic that we're being forced to consider it because of the low character of those who hold such high positions of trust. Every celebration you mark over this helps make this "politics as usual" — now and in the future.

Now, the Subjective Scribe:

I look forward to the day this presidency ends. But nothing good comes of a premature demise. For administration opponents, if you consider the line of succession, there's no "savior" waiting in the wings. Only a change in the power in Congress could bring such hope. But that's no guarantee and our nation is weakened in the process. It's during these times that we are most vunerable to our true enemies.

The Fitzmas parties being planned are nothing short of disgusting and shameful — period. To delight in the demise of your opponents impugns your own character and integrity. It truly is the politics of personal destruction. Both sides are guilty. And it's what continues to disenfranchise Independents and those in the center. And it's what continues to destroy America.

While I appreciate their efforts to support a perspective with dignity, they may be setting the bar just a trifle high: while a stack of indictments is clearly not good for the country, I think people can be forgiven for cracking a smile under the circumstances, though actual partying would surely be unseemly. (Solemnity, at times, is its own punishment.) And there's always the question of reciprocity: how much consideration would be extended were the party labels reversed?

But thanks, guys.

Posted at 8:02 AM to Political Science Fiction

I'm good with partying.

These venal black-heart neo-con jerks have managed to hurtle this whole country into moral and fiscal bankruptcy.

If some of those responsible for this horror are finally brought to justice, what's wrong with raising a glass, and toasting "Huzzah"? Huzzah, say I, to the possibility of leaving behind war and poverty, and returning to peace and prosperity! Huzzah!

Posted by: No Blood for Hubris at 9:07 AM on 24 October 2005

These people are hysterical. Not in the sense of funny -- in the sense of "get the men in the white coats, and tell 'em to bring tranquilizers."

Posted by: Andrea Harris at 9:22 AM on 24 October 2005

I remember some fairly hysterical partying after a certain 1998 impeachment proceeding, too. Tranquilizers didn't help those people.

Posted by: Matt at 11:58 AM on 24 October 2005

AND how bout that little vote countin after party in 2000? I bet there was some glass tippin there ... and of course my favorite bumper sticker was born:

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing ... Those who COUNT the votes decide everything” - Joseph Stalin

Posted by: ron at 12:32 PM on 24 October 2005

I have to admit, Chaz, that I won't be able to be as mangnanimous in my glee if there are indictments involving Rove and Libby. Rove, in particular, has proven time and again that he is a mean-spirited, take-no-prisoners operative well acquainted with the politics of personal destruction. Just as we can be bummed when bad things happen to good people, I think we're allow some gloating when bad things happen to bad people.

Posted by: Chase at 1:09 PM on 24 October 2005

I don't believe one should try to stifle a keenly-felt sense of Schadenfreude for the sake of political unity. (My last line: "How much consideration would be extended if the party labels were reversed?" Not a great deal, I'm certain.) A certain amount of gloating is to be expected. What I don't care for is the sort of orgiastic self-congratulation that takes place at joints like Democratic Underground. (Or subtract seven years and replace DUmmies with Freepers; it's the same sort of thing.)

We're talking human nature here: everyone identifies with David, and no one roots for Goliath. (I can say that now that the Yankees have finished their season.)

Posted by: CGHill at 1:23 PM on 24 October 2005

Ever since Bush was elected I have felt that our country was on a downward spiral that might never end. I have really feared for our nation's future. If there are indictments I will rejoice because, to me, that will signal a possible rescue of our country from the mess it is in. I had thought the day might never come. If there are no indictments, things won't change. It is not the demise of individuals that I will celebrate, but the recovery of our country. I will celebrate the removal from power of any politician of any party who has, wittingly or unwittingly, worked to destroy the US and what it stands for.

Posted by: OKPartisan at 5:47 PM on 24 October 2005

"Ever since Bush was elected I have felt that our country was on a downward spiral that might never end. I have really feared for our nation's future."

Oh for chrissake, you're as bad as the "Clinton's going to doom the nation to Hell!" crowd. Methinks a few people haven't been taking their daily chill pills.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at 11:44 PM on 24 October 2005

By this time in Clinton's presidency, many of us Clinton-bashers were backing off, having realized from his re-election that hysterical rantings weren't connecting with the electorate.

They do say intelligence is indicated by the ability to learn...

Posted by: McGehee at 8:19 AM on 25 October 2005